 Kit B. (300) | Sunday December 9, 2012, 12:38 pm This is a short video and for those who do not know this group the Military Religious Freedom Foundation is dedicated to protecting the constitutional rights of all of the men and women of our military services. The right to worship or not is not to be abridged because one has made the choice to join the military. ****Please see video at Visit Site********** Over 30,000 aggrieved MRFF clients have testified to the grim nature of the deluded Taliban-esque environment some have imposed, or sought to impose, on our servicemembers. By means of mandatory prayer ceremonies, fundamentalist indoctrination masquerading as training materials, and an environment that ostracizes all but the most zealous Evangelical Christians (among other foul methods of coercive proselytization), these forces have treacherously misused and abused all four major service branches as incubators for raising "God's Army" - to borrow their own perverse and twisted phrase. . Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
 Greg M. (9) | Sunday December 9, 2012, 1:37 pm Is it not time that America stopped interfering in the polotics of other countries? Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
 Roger Garin-michaud (58) | Sunday December 9, 2012, 2:18 pm there are taliban-like persons in ALL religions.. so sad but true! Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
 Rose NoFWDSPLZ (205) | Sunday December 9, 2012, 2:42 pm I am speechless Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
 Cheryl O. (69) | Sunday December 9, 2012, 3:55 pm Very important info. TY for posting that's important for people to understand and realize. Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
| Greg M. (9) | Sunday December 9, 2012, 4:23 pm Anyone voluntarily joining the US military is an idiot. Why volunteer to kill people for money? Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
| Kit B. (300) | Sunday December 9, 2012, 5:32 pm No Greg they are young in need of work and often idealistic, not idiots. Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
| Greg M. (9) | Sunday December 9, 2012, 6:46 pm Young and idealistic? In need of work? Are you seriously suggesting that killing people for money is a sensible thing to do? Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
 J.L. A. (64) | Sunday December 9, 2012, 8:50 pm I hope there is a thorough investigation for who made these decisions Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
 John Gregoire (209) | Monday December 10, 2012, 6:10 am I think they we should fact check this story and get it from a more reliable source. While there are certainly religious proselytisers in every walk of life, the military specifically frowns on that behavior and does not allow religion as a topic of discussion in wardrooms, etc. At the same time every religion is provided for and services available for our military. I can't imagine them having the time or inclination to push their religious values on others. Perhaps this is a blown out of proportion story resulting from the actions of a few? Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
| Kit B. (300) | Monday December 10, 2012, 8:15 am Oh please do FACT CHECK this story. I have followed many articles by MRFF for years and checked each one so I certainly hope that others do the same. I may on occasion submit articles that are just fun or funny opinions but I do double check those that purport to be authentic. And...John that statement that military does not allow religious proselytizing is no longer correct, so please do some unbiased research. You might remember a time when chapels on a military base were built by the military for the use of those who made the choice to use them. That is no longer the case. Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
| Kit B. (300) | Monday December 10, 2012, 8:28 am Greg you are older and more worldly than the 17, 18 and 19 year old young people that believe they will learn a trade or get financing for education that would not be otherwise available to them. You also do not understand the long term, deeply in-grained belief that each person must be ready to die to defend his country. What I believe or agree with is far less relevant that what is believed by many young people. That may even know that ultimately they will be asked to kill, but time and the history of the world show how easy it is to make that acceptable. Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
| Greg M. (9) | Monday December 10, 2012, 9:05 am 'You also do not understand the long term, deeply in-grained belief that each person must be ready to die to defend his country" - No I do not. I would rather be hungry and homeless than kill a fellow human being. "That may even know that ultimately they will be asked to kill, but time and the history of the world show how easy it is to make that acceptable." - You have got to be joking. Murder is not an acceptable occupation no matter how much propaganda your government can churn out. Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
| Greg M. (9) | Monday December 10, 2012, 9:07 am "Defending" a country does not involve slaughtering people in countries far away. That is called war, not defence. Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
 Theodore S. (10) | Monday December 10, 2012, 10:04 am The economic conditions that lead us to war are always manufactured to profit the multi national corporations. Rumsfeld told Gen. Clarke, Ret. back in 2002 that anyone who joined the military was stupid and had best die on the battlefield. War for the most part today is fought in the boardrooms and courts. Armed combat only comes into play when resources such as those in Darfur and other places are threatened by foreign powers such as the PRC or markets such as those in the Arab world remained closed to them and maximum short term profits. Religion is a great way to control people. I have read a couple articles about this Evangelical Chiliasm manifesting its ugly head among the US forces. I believe that Fort Jackson [correct me if I'm wrong about the base] has a Christian training and retreat camp which all recruits are exhorted to join and convert. It really helps with advancement if you do. I've also read reports of religious discrimination in the field and combat zones too. This is the "religious" paradigm espoused and supported by Bush and Blair; both of whom are practicing Luciferians and use Christianity as a front. If there were viable jobs and education costs weren't through the roof; would intelligent young people be joining the military as they have done today? The constitutional standing army of the USA was to be a small, dedicated force designed for the nation's defense and not the hegemonic empire building being done by Corporations in the name of profit. Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
 Joanne Dixon (12) | Monday December 10, 2012, 12:45 pm John, living near one of the Academies, I can testify that keeping church and state separate in the Academy is a constant and losing battle. It wasn't like that when I was in the military either, but it has changed. Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
| Lois Jordan (30) | Monday December 10, 2012, 1:28 pm Much thanks for posting, Kit. It seemed to me that this heavy evangelical faith fanaticism exploded during the Bush Regime. Dumsfeld even had bible scriptures engraved on his letterheads. Asscroft covered up statues in DC because they were....apparently "pornographic." There were even bible references cast...I think it was on bullets used by the military. In speeches, Bush even gave shady references to holy war. The frontal assault on Obama from even before Day One---attacking Rev. Wright, calling Obama a Muslim and questioning his birthplace, were intended to keep him from changing what had been cast by the previous admin. So, now in his final term, he must take the opportunity to correct those changes. I applaud the MRFF! Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
 Mary Donnelly (43) | Monday December 10, 2012, 2:18 pm Thanks Kit. Greg When people are poor, uneducated, and needing money, they frequently try the defence forces, crime, and sport. They are not idiots; they simply believe that they have few options from which to choose. Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
| Kit B. (300) | Monday December 10, 2012, 2:23 pm Very true, Mary. And....on the battlefield it is not murder. The problem is what happens to these folks on the battlefield and then what they are not properly treated for, once they return home. Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
 James E. (15) | Monday December 10, 2012, 3:14 pm There goes separation of church and state. As a veteran and retired soldier I generally support the Chaplain?s corps, but this activity crosses the line and needs to be addressed. As an added thought, for those that believe the old line about atheists, foxholes, and God, I am one who turned away from religion as a result of combat service. While I don?t declare myself to be an atheist, I certainly don?t believe in any all powerful god either. John Gregoire, do you really think all of the videos were faked or something? While no one should not extrapolate this out to all chaplains in the military, it is a real problem. More today than ever. Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
 MJ M. (479) | Monday December 10, 2012, 4:59 pm "Be all you can be" ?? Isn't this one of the biggest scams perpetrated on our society, second only to religion? Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
| Tom Edgar (34) | Monday December 10, 2012, 5:08 pm Show me a poorly educated person and I will probably be able to show you a religion indoctrinated candidate for the military. This hasn't changed one jot from the old British, Dutch, and other nations historical colonising approach . First the Soldier, then the Priest, then the Businessman. James E It is understandable in an American that you wouldn't want to declare yourself as an atheist. As a
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| Wild Thang (9) | Monday December 10, 2012, 5:31 pm Fighting crusades for God and Country presupposes a national god or wargod that supports us in our wars against all others. An unprovable god and so an unprprovable son and a crusadr of conceptual belief and wars to promote it. Then comes the ethic compromises of acceptable death, destruction, and collateral damages for our side and not for any other side because we are right except for times like Iraq when we are wrong and in drone strikes that turn out to be wrong targets and with collateral innocent civilians dead or damaged too. All with God's blessing apparently. Next comes the question of our national god which one are we thinging about an Mormon one, a catholic one, an evangelical one, or a non-christian one? At that point secular society becomes a religious battlefield. Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
 Gloria H. (70) | Monday December 10, 2012, 6:26 pm how can someone kill when ordered and yet follow the Christian God? I see the role of chaplain as one to help someone burdened with the memory of having killed another human being. Someone to listen to, and NOT to convert. From the video it appears the young people are ripe for picking, to brainwash into blindly following anyone or any ideal pounded into their heads. Like the Children's Crusade which helped clear out Europe of ever present urchins and orphans. War serves a purpose. As long as we focus on ridding ourselves of the evil guy/s gals "over there" there will be less attention focused on what is happening under our own noses in the fatherland. Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
 Aletta Kraan (131) | Monday December 10, 2012, 6:33 pm Noted !!! Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you. There was a problem submitting your report. Please try again later. ? |
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